Tuesday, October 24, 2006

The Plot Thickens

The plot thickens and takes on the constituency of treacle! It appears that blogger, Eastcliff Richard has now collapsed into a state of paranoia, with a delusional theory that I, with the help of the BBC, set him up in an attempt to unmask him.

This conspiracy theory is up there with the best, little green men at Roswell and the gunmen on the grassy knoll.

The audio file in the original story - you can find below - strongly suggests that the self-proclaimed Ramsgate media millionaire is barely out of short trousers, one very good reason for remaining anonymous, one might think.

Perhaps I should offer a Thanet Life prize for the person who finally completes the jigsaw puzzle now steadily forming a picture of the real person behind the fantasy character.

41 comments:

Eastcliff Richard said...

Whatever you're offering, I'll double it!

SkinOfStars said...

I once had the choice to know but stuck my fingers in my ears and went 'nananana'.

If someone wants to be anonymous then thats up to them. It should make little difference to you to know who it is anyway as you probably wouldn't know them.... unless thats you hanging in the bus shelters sharing the cider! Come clean now doctor, do you have your own grafiti tag?

DrMoores said...

Doubt you could afford to on your pocket money lad!

DrMoores said...

Perhaps I want to walk right up and shake his hand?

Anonymous said...

Being anonymous is fine but does not mean unacountable. If ECR had a name I doubt he would be so free with his personal comments and attacks on any efforts to make Thanet a better place to live.

Margate Madge

stuart said...

Isn't that the whole point of a blog - for the blog owner to style their blog the way they want to?

If ECR wants to remain anonymous, that's fine in my book. If he posts something libellous then powers that be have ways of finding his identity out.

Likewise, if you want your photo on your blog and to be a bit self-promoting then that's fine also.

I think Simon just doesn't like being called Biggles!

Lucy Mail said...

It's always seemed to me that his 'personal comments and attacks' have berated the lack of effort to make Thanet a better place.
It can be and is being made a better place by just a fraction of the people that want it to be so.
I'll include myself among those few.
Nothing wrong with knocking those that are just trying to talk it better, I'd say.
So, if you'd like to provide a link or two to these comments you speak of, Madge, I'd be interested to see them and perhaps try to explain how you've misinterperated them.

DrMoores said...

Madge has a point, with the underlying message that if you wish throw rocks at other people in a public forum, then have the decency to identify yourself rather than make smug cynical observations. Anyway, ECR is a fantasy character, and his frequently juvenile comments and humour satisfy an unpleasant niche. Another's perceptive observation from the media and not my own!

Lucy Mail said...

Madge who?
Another who?
Or do these rules only apply to those that tell you what you don't want to hear?

DrMoores said...

Your'e missing the point "Lucy who".. Madge isn't making gratuitous or offensive personal comments from behind the anonymity of a website and her contributions, like yours can always be removed if they breached an acceptable use policy.

stuart said...

Dr M, ECR throws rocks at people who has chosen to be in the public eye for one reason or another. He himself (if indeed he is a he) has chosen not too.

I don't think having a little picture on your blog makes yours any more legitimate than his.

If people want to remain anonymous then that is your choice. I wonder why you seem so concerned about 'outing' ECR but don't seem too worried about other anonymous bloggers?

stuart said...

Actually I think you take all this far too seriously!

DrMoores said...

You too have missed the point Stuart and have returned to your observations of some months ago. I have a photo on my weblog as do many others. It's part of the weblog setup and shows you who I am; there's no other reason behind it but there is a parallel with the veil debate, in regard to communicating with a face rather than a mask.

When something is published on the internet, it's there for good and so if you were the subject of derogatory remarks or even insults, would you say, "that's alright then I don't mind not knowing who's behind this." In this regard anonymity is used as an excuse for juvenile bad taste and vulgar comment when a little intelligent wit is all that's required.

Once again, we return to the question of accountability. Is it right for someone to remain anonymous and unaccountable when such content is likely to remain on the record indefinitely and offend others. In other forms of media there is redress, so why should the internet be any different?

Anonymous said...

I bet the gazette would just love to know who he is!

Anonymous said...

It's very sad when bloggers spend more time squabbling amongst themselves about blogging than commenting on...er....what was it? Oh yeh. Life in Thanet.

Anonymous said...

Unmasking ECR would be about as interesting as saying: "Guess what - I've just found out that Borat is actually Sacha Baron Cohen." Yippee!

DrMoores said...

Good point 3:05 - I guess enough has been said on this thread. I'll let you know if and when ECR aka Sacha Baron Cohen is revealed although much of the mystery has now dissolved now you can hear his voice.

Sacha Baron Cohen said...

Well you don't know it's my voice, all you know is that the BBC appears to have broken its own Editorial Guidelines on anonymity by telling any old member of the public (i.e you) that the voice was recorded and disguised by me. Er, him. Dear oh dear, this is getting very confusing.

BTW, the BBC has now issued a full apology for its indiscretion.

Anonymous said...

I thought your business pressures meant you were hanging up your blogging boots, Biggles. Why not get on with it and go. Your fixation over ECR and anyone who ever challenges you is becoming incredibly boring and more than a little sad.

Artyblartfast said...

I think the anonimity choice is a personal one. I've had threats and various other forms of grief from my publishing NeatNeatNeat, and my now defunct column in the Gazette so when it came to a blog I thought I'd try to limit all that uncivilised nonsense by adopting a handle.
Of course a lot of folk, including England's greatest pilot Biggles, know who I am anyway; but then again they're not the type to make threats because they disagree with an opinion. That's not true of everyone though. So for me if a bloggist wants to remain anonymous that's fine.

DrMoores said...

I thought the thread was finished but I detect our banned "troll" having a dig at my expense. No I am running it down - the site that - is but several days of bad weather got in the way of work this week and the little experiment in reverse engineering ECR's voice and revealing the schoolboy behind it, obviously touched a raw nerve.

As for voices being disguised or not, unless IQs fell suddenly overnight, the balance of probabilities suggests that the person who went to all the effort to disguise his voice in order to remain anonymous, is most unlikely to ask someone else to make the recording for him. Such an excuse wouldn't stand up well in court, a blog or even a primary school classroom!

As for remaining anonymous. I've got nothing against it beyond holding the view expressed above, that one should remain accountable for one's words and the record one leaves behind in a public forum.

DrMoores said...

Sadly the poisonous troll has returned and spotted that I turned off comment moderation, which is now back on in the interests of good taste, if not staying with the subject matter!

stuart said...

Once again, it looks as if you have turned comment moderation on when the conversation isn't going your own way!

How very typically Tory!

Eastcliff Richard said...

You say:

"As for voices being disguised or not, unless IQs fell suddenly overnight, the balance of probabilities suggests that the person who went to all the effort to disguise his voice in order to remain anonymous, is most unlikely to ask someone else to make the recording for him. Such an excuse wouldn't stand up well in court, a blog or even a primary school classroom!"

The BBC's Producer Guidelines say:

"We must ensure that if anonymity is necessary it is effective. Both picture and voice may need to be disguised. A "voice-over" by another person is usually better than technically induced distortion, which can be reversed..."

Balance of probabilities? Unlikely? Wouldn't stand up in court? It's basic broadcast journalism, old sport!

DrMoores said...

I thought this thread has finished? Oh well.. for the BBC, Newsnight even, maybe but we're talking about a schollboy humour weblog at the edge of teh known world so unless you can prove it to the contrary or that even you're a real journalist rather than an aspirational hack, the balance of probabilities stands true.

DrMoores said...

Stuart what a facile comment for even you!

stuart said...

If I'm wrong then turn it back off and see how this thread develops because quite clearly it's not finished apart from in your own mind.

Dr, I think you've rattled a few cages with this trying to out ECR business - even people who were previously your supporters.

I thought you were retiring from blogging anyway? If so then do you need to start playing dirty to remain self-appointed Chief Blogger?

Anonymous said...

The doc has done a fantastic job in running this very interesting blog,and he has many many supporters-you sound a very self oppiniated person stuart the sort that says"everyone is entitled to my opinion"It will be a sad day indeed when Dr Moores has less to do with this site..

DrMoores said...

I will probably be accused of only allowing favourable comments but to be honest, only the 'troll' is blocked because he just can't resist making personal jibes which have nothing to do with the subject matter..

Anyway, cages may be rattled but out of many hundreds, close to a thousand hits possibly since this started, only three, perhaps four people appear to be upset and the earlier argument on accountability versus anonymity, which triggered teh debate appears to have flown over their heads.

Best leave the last comment to the Philosopher Socrates in Plato's 'Phaedrus' I think: "What is good and what is not good and how do we know these things"

Eastcliff Richard said...

Nice try, doc. Of course, you know I can't prove anything to you without telling you who I am, but what's so infuriating for you is that you can't get me rattled enough to even come close to wanting to do that.

And until you know for sure, there's always going to be that small element of doubt in your mind that I might in fact be someone you ought to be trying to impress.

Still, keep on trying, I'm enjoying it. As, I suspect, are you.

DrMoores said...

Remaining with the logic, the recorded voice is far too young and the place of domicile too distant to impress even me. So I'm happy to assume someone relatively junior in the media business but living in Ramsgate.

Eastcliff Richard said...

Surely they taught you in the RAF that to assume makes an 'ass' out of 'u' and 'me'?

Eastcliff Richard said...

Also, don't you think it's a bit patronising to refer to Thanet as 'the end of the known world', and to take the view that nobody of any importance in the media could possibly want to live here? I'm sure the good people of Thanet will be rather upset to hear that.

DrMoores said...

Sorry, it was Royal Marines 41 CDO. Flying was a later interest!

DrMoores said...

As far as you can go East without falling off, although I stopped short of the edge. But if your'e even vaguely "important", do share it with us!

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DrMoores said...

Can't spell - ! Unlike our friend, I have work to do, so back later!

Benny Hill said...

Excuse me Mr Eastcliff but I think you'll find that that 'Ass out of U and Me' belongs to me!
You really do like to play with litigative fire, don't you!

Eastcliff Richard said...

Had to have the last word, eh? Ooops, I think I've just shot myself in the foot there!

Anonymous said...

Is this a photo of Lord Lucan on your web site or are you trying to be an elusive Royal Marine Commando?

stewie said...

ECF is stephen arkell its been known for a while