Tuesday, August 15, 2006

Out and About

A Guardian story today reveals that police are asking for powers that Police are pressing ministers for radical new powers to dispense instant justice, including the immediate exclusion of "yobs" from town centres at night, and bans on street gang members associating with each other.
Senior officers say the powers would be the "modern equivalent of a clip round the ear from the local bobby" and would ensure the introduction of neighbourhood policing across England and Wales has "bite" and meets public expectations.

This story caught my eye if only because I was in Broadstairs late yesterday evening and the sheer number of teenagers out and about caught my eye. The great majority were enjoying themselves without creating problems for anyone else but I did spot two large groups of boys around fifteen to sixteen years or age, one of which was milling around one of the side roads and forced me and another motorist to stop our car until the ‘whirlwind’ had moved on past .

What do Broadstairs residents think. Was this just an isolated example of Folk Week or something more regular?


Anonymous said...

I know little about the Broadstairs crews but the phenomenon of a large 'blob' of youngsters crossing roads or junctions at will, is a common feature of Thanet driving. It seems to me to be an expression of an arrogant attitude that the 'rules' do not apply to us and we are untouchable! Beware of challenging such poor pedestrian behaviour as the least you will get back is a torrent of foul verbal abuse.
As far as police summary powers are concerned, the law already enables them to arrest and remove to a police station anyone whose behaviour is causing or is likely to cause a breach of the peace. Just lift anti-social yobs to cells in Canterbury and release them into parents custody when they turn up (hopefully at great inconvenience to the parents).

Most yobbish behaviour occurs because there is no consequence to the anti-social behaviour. This is because either our police are no-where to be seen or do nothing about it, as they have their own agenda for policing that has a greater priority than the wishes of the community they are paid to serve.

Anonymous said...

Several years a go I took on a group of kids on Broadstairs Jetty who were swearing and running amok during a firework display with family groups standing about including my two small daughters. A running fight broke out at about the same time between about thirty of them, one was laying on the ground and got kicked in the head several times. I took issue with this and whilst finishing what I had to say one of these kids punched me in the side of the face, which didn't faze me (they should teach these kids boxing, they might learn to punch). Another squared up to me and knowing I was about to take a hit off him too I pushed him back away from me with a chest thrust, only then to be attacked by some woman in her 50s thinking I was picking on those sweet kids when I was 'in fear' of my safety, so with her hanging round my neck she got a quick word in the ear and then realized how bad things were and another dad joined in. I used to be in the Police in the bad ol' days when strictly unofficially we were taught by other constables to stick a truncheon up our tunic sleeves for extra clout in a fight, shame I didn't have one to spare.

Anonymous said...

I notice one of the powers they would like to add is the ability to take away cars driven by uninsured/unlicensed drivers and crush them. Unfortunately as much as I would like to see this I doubt it will ever happen. Already the civil liberties crowd are bleating that this would make the police judge and jury.

Which brings me to a point that we don't hear much about. In general I am not a great fan of France, but their justice system does not have anywhere near the nonsense we have to put up with in England. If you are arrested by police in France you will most likely appear before a judge the next working day and if found guilty you will be in jail that afternoon. The sentence may often be short, but six months in a French prison is not a pleasant prospect. If they can do it why can't we?

Anonymous said...

We used to!

Dane Valley Ted said...

Having worked in Broadstairs for the last few weeks it seems to be the same 30 or 40 that cause most of the trouble.
The vast majority of teenagers and foreign students are well behaved albeit noisy at times.
Most trouble starts when the drink takes effect,but you do not see them drinking in the local pubs and the local off-licences are very careful about age when selling drinks.

One point I would like to make is about manners,
The students from abroad do not seem aware of things like-

Giving up seats on buses to the elderly,or mums with babies.

When walking on the narrow pavements it is normal for those facing oncoming traffic to walk nearest the kerb for obvious reasons.

Petty problems,but it is annoying for some people.

A bit of thought goes a long way and perhaps the language schools could mention these problems at the reception days.
If you drive a car that is not insured or taxed it should be scrapped on the day of the offence,And any costs incurred added to the court fines and a 10 year ban unless it is a genuine mistake,e.g mix-up of dates or something

Mr Friday said...

"One point I would like to make is about manners"

Live and let live I say. When we get our own house in order with the behaviour of an element of British people abroad we have the right to criticise others. At times I have been almost embarrassed to be British at the way some of our finest conduct themselves in foreign countries.

If we are stereotyping people then we are the worst, by far.

Dane Valley Ted said...

I am not having a go about any race,creed or colour,whatever our people do abroad that is up to them
all I ask that when I walk with my kids they are safe and that is all!

Mr Friday said...

Fair point Ted. I also agree with your comments about scrapping cars.

Didn't understand where the points about foreign students were coming from that's all.

Dane Valley Ted said...

Mr Friday

Just an observation on teenagers in general.
There are various degrees of anti-social behaviour and it depends on
an individuals perception as to what is or is not acceptable.
Most of the time people are tolerant and remember that they too were young once.
The comment about students was just a follow up on previous comments and I thought that it was valid to mention that the problems here are not unique to thanet and that a little thought on everyones part could make life easier for us all,but there will always be some who think it is clever to cause problems,but we can try!!!!