Sunday, July 09, 2006

Gale on Hoodies

Chairman of the TryAngle (youth) Awards foundation, Thanet North MP Roger Gale has been quick to endorse party leader, David Cameron’s line on "hoodies".

The MP, whose pre-parliamentary professional career as a television producer/director included the award-nominated "White Light" teenage magazine programmes for Thames television said in his constituency today:

"To judge a generation by its tribal clothing is ridiculous. Condemning everyone who chooses to wear a hooded sweatshirt makes no more sense that to condemn every Teddy Boy, every Mod, every Hippie or, indeed, anyone else who has worn a "social uniform" such as a city suit!

Young people rebel. That is in their nature. The Try Angle Awards scheme *  was established to recognise the fact that for every young anti-social yob that hits the headlines there are thousands getting on with enjoying their lives and making a significant contribution to society and determined to succeed - whether they wear hoodies or not.

Society should have no time for those very few who regard it as their right to make the lives of others a misery but we also need to recognise that it is right to offer young people a challenge and channels for their energies. That is why the work of organisations such as Fairbridge, The Weston Spirit, Toynbee Hall and Operation Raleigh and the Duke of Edinburgh`s Award Scheme are all so important".

The MP also added a note of caution to his support.

"We must" he said "make it abundantly plain that anti-social behaviour, graffiti, violence, drugs and alcohol-related crime have no place in our society.  Coupled with encouragement for, particularly, the disadvantaged young in our communities there has to be a very clear message that the criminal justice system will take a very robust line with those who believe that they can get away with anything."


Anonymous said...

I can't agree with Roger on this one, I think that anyone who chooses to wear a hood and/or baseball cap with the peak bent and down over the face is doing it to hide their identity from cctv etc and has mischief in mind to put it in the mildest way.

The same cannot have been said for Mods, Hippies or suit wearers. Their identity was plain to see.

I am afraid Cameron and the Conservative party is on a loser with this one.
It won't be a popular vote catching policy.
I am surprised at Roger for having this opinion, maybe he would benefit from an informal visit by some of the Birchington hoodies?

Might change his mind for him, I wonder how this recently expressed opinion fits in with his Transport Police experiences?

Anonymous said...

anon again!

Well done the "hoody's" who get on with 'normal' life. Something must be done about the rest though, the ones that catch the other unwanted sort of attention (most crimes committed today).
With regard to Uniforms... there are good and bad Uniform wearers, the Uniform remains the same though.
I think if I were young again, I wouldn't want to get mixed up in any tribal trouble. I'd rather wear something different to show I'm different from the Ferals. There are some particularly nasty little tikes with hoods and baseball caps about in Thanet. The canadians cull baby seal cubs, let's cull the hoody's!
Just a daydream that has NO reality on things happening in todays modern care less World.

Anonymous said...

To me it seems that that magority of these youths who sport hoodies seem to want to hide their identity. If I were to see a man in mid summer wearing a balaclava helmet with just eye slits I think that I would jump to the conclusion that he could well be a bank robber or the like.

Anonymous said...

Just re-read the original post and saw it contained - and I quote -

"for every young anti-social yob that hits the headlines there are thousands getting on with enjoying their lives and making a significant contribution to society and determined to succeed - whether they wear hoodies or not."

Now if we just take Thanet as an area we frequently read in the local rag of crimes and antisocial behaviour committed by hoodies.
Lets say there were 10 in the last year or so.(I think there were many many more)

At a ratio of a thousand to one as propounded by Roger Gale there must be over 10 thousand hoodies in Thanet who are making a significant contribution to society.

That is so obviously not true.

Get real Roger!

Usually you make sense, not this time.

I think you may well have lost some votes with this stance. - unless of course you are hoping to rely on the hoodie vote as your traditional supporters age and wither away.

Anonymous said...

Respect to you Simon for allowing posts even slightly critical of dear old Rog.
Its nice to see an even handed site, its obviously not true when people accuse this site of being totally Tory biased.

DrMoores said...

Criticism is encouraged here, regardless of whether the political party involved is blue, red, slightly pink or screaming yellow. It's just the snide and spiteful personal stuff that I think is better posted somewhere else and not here!

worm said...

I want to join the Slightly Yellow Party!

James Maskell said...

Theres been a lot of press interest in this speech and I was suprized when I saw the stories in the press.

I know what Camerons trying to say and I think everyone can see it as well, but Im not entirely sure if he's saying it right. I understand that those who wear hoodies may feel isolated. I understand that they may have bad backgrounds which might encourage them to turn to crime as a possible cry for help, though I dont really buy it.

Im certain there are vast numbers of people who have had bad backgrounds and felt isolated in their childhood and needed support. Did they turn to crime? I dont think so. Im sure there are some readers here who might have had tough childhoods but kept away from crime.

Anon 6:12, he didnt say there were thousands of hoodies. He was meaning thousands of young people. "Hoodies" are completely different from most young people, who dont go out and cause crime. The phrasing might be confusing but Im sure thats the true meaning of that section.

The truth is, the majority of crime in this country is caused by a minority of people and that works the same for youth crime. Theres a hardcore of young people causing crime. Because people hear so much in the press about youth crime, they assume that all young people are going round causing trouble, which isnt true.

I see what Cameron is trying to do, but Im afraid I dont agree with it. Crime must never be, or be seen to be, justified.

Anonymous said...

It seems to me the Tories have lost the plot here. At a time when people seem to have woken up to just how damaging NuLabour is the Tories want to ape Blair. Wake up Dave people are sick of Tony, and hugging hoodies will not endear you to the voters.

When I was much younger if you had a murder in Thanet it was virtually national news. Now it warrants a couple of inches in the local rag. Since Labour came to power murders are up nearly a quarter. Doubtless other crimes have risen just as much it's just easier to massage those figures. Going soft on criminality is the wrong approach. Michael Howard showed us that crime can be reduced if you have the will.

Anonymous said...

As Councillor Green observed in relation to another of "Gale's Views" recently, the MP is simply promoting locally his Party's central "message of the day".

That he should do so when the message clearly cuts across the opinions he would normally express on law and order (hang em, birch em or flog em, basically) demonstrates a) his lack of principle when pressed and b) how desperate his Party is to jump on what they perceive as the bandwagon of public opinion to capture votes.

They appear - and he appears - to have got it hopelessly wrong (again) if the posts here are anything to go by.

I fully appreciate the level of disappointment and disaffection with the present Government, but really, does anyone want the alternative?

Maverick said...


I was going to say so much and you all got there first! Big mistake Roger, I'd back off a bit smartish I were you.

Anonymous said...

If a political party had the guts to actually address the problem of feral youth and introduce some sort of compulsory scheme for 16 to 18 year olds, they would clean up at the next election. 'Misunderstood' youngsters need a swift lesson in life, sadly they have been failed by a generation that should not have had children in many cases.