Thursday, June 01, 2006

Station Rape that Wasn't

Kent Online reports that men accused of taking it in turns to rape a woman late at night at Margate railway station have walked free from a court.

They were cleared of the accusations, after the prosecution offered no evidence at Canterbury Crown Court.

Read the full story.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Kovaliovas & Kulbis a couple Anglo-Saxon's then? Surely not Lithuanians? Thanks to the EU we can no longer keep undesirable Eurotrash out of our country. One of these days the people of Britain will wake up and realise we were sold a pup when we signed on to the common market.

Anonymous said...

Yet again a man accused of Rape has his name published and therefore, he will allways be know as a rapist who got away with it.

Now prosecute this woman for wasting police time and publish her name.

tony flaig said...

Anonymous 2:37pm I think if you follow the link and read the story, it would appear that the Criminal Prosecution Service, did the correct thing in dropping the case as they had no convincing evidence, fortunately we still live by the rule of law. In this country our courts are still evidence based and convictions cannot be obtained on whether someone is Anglo-Saxon or not.

Anonymous said...

Another case of rubbish CCTV images... upgrade them or ditch them, they are use nor ornament.

Anonymous said...

Hate to agree with tony flaig again but the report states that there wasn't any forensic evidence of the rape, she was drunk, the cctv didn't tally with her account and that she later that night met another man who she accused of raping her as well.
Now either she is very unlucky and has a bad memory or she is a sandwich short of a picnic, whatever the case it looks like these 2 blokes, foreign or not, did not do it!
I know we are used to the CPS dropping cases because of flawed or lost evidence or for any one of a thousand reasons, but on this occasion it looks like justice was done OK.
Burt maybe we should deport them anyway if it makes us feel better?

Anonymous said...

Thankfully the CPS actually serves it's purpose as 4:36 states 'I know we are used to the CPS dropping cases because of flawed or lost evidence or for any one of a thousand reasons'. Firstly in those situations you cannot blame the CPS. The cases are reviewed by lawyers who consider 1) whether it is in the public interest to prosecute, 2) whether there is enough evidence to realize a conviction. If it was left to the Police we'd possibly be back to the bad old days of very flawed evidence. There is it seems not a prima-facie case to answer and now it appears this was the right decision. As for the gentlemen's ethnicity, what has that got to do with it?

Anonymous said...

Something clearly happened on the bench and it is not acceptable to assume that because she was drunk or a little simple that something of an unpleasant nature did not occur or that if it did it was down to her.

She would have been a lot safer if instead of a poor cctv camera watching over her safety, there had been a member of staff on duty supervising the station and its platforms. I am always nervous when cases are not brought before a jury because it is felt that insufficient evidence is available to secure a conviction. I was under the impression that it is for a jury, guided in law by a judge, to make a decision. In this case it may well have been a waste of time to pursue the matter but I have heard too many victims of crime tell me how the matter was dropped on the basis of insufficient evidence and as a result they feel they did not get justice from the criminal justice system.

Anonymous said...

Anon of 6.47, yes I think that these men probably did do something unpleasant to her (as you put it) but it seems not to have been rape which is what the charge was.
So it was dropped.
Quite right too,legally, unfortunately its now a bit late in the day to bring a lesser charge although it seems nebulous what that charge might have been as well.

Anonymous said...

There is no evidence they did anything to her so what makes you think they "probably" did?

Anonymous said...

With the sort of ill-informed, racist, xenophobic comments made here, it makes me wonder whether jury trials are really such a good idea.

Anonymous said...

Its called free speech mate!
Remember, I think thats what this country used to stand for.
I don't agree with your comment, but I would fight for your right to make it.

Anonymous said...

I am not challenging anyone's right to MAKE the comments - although with free speech goes a certain responsibility. I am saying that if people are so racist and xenophobic that they ignore evidence and fact in reaching hostile conclusions, it would be a disaster if they ever sat on a jury.

Anonymous said...

In YOUR opinion.

different_anon said...

In my opinion too.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately many of us here in Cliftonville have a pretty poor view of recent economic migrants or refugees.
This has come about by the activities of a significant number of them over the last few years.
We have become fed up with the ghettoisation of the area, the car problems, the dirt and rubbish, the antisocial behaviour which has come along with them.
Now all this could have come about with any sudden influx of people from another culture rather less developed and different to ours, but it so happens that they are mostly from Eastern Europe.
Some of the problems are caused by ethnic Brits, mostly from other areas who have moved down here becuase of lack of employment (means they don't get pushed into working) and nice seaside ambiance - which they ruin for everyone.
These druggies and alkys just love it down here, they have brought nothing to the area except crime, problems and profits for bad landlords with cheap bad condition properties.
I think the trash Brits are worse people than most of the refugees, but there aren't so many of them.
It has been an unfortunate chain of events which came about because there were so many large cheap unused ex-hotels which made it possible for large numbers of people to suddenly move ito the area.
I am pleased to see better and more expensive flat conversions recently which should keep out the riffraff, They have to have somewhere to live but let them be spread out, not concentrated around Cliftonville.
There are also quite a few empty flats to let in the area now which is a new phenomenon. This must mean rents are going up and DSS claimants can't afford them. This is good for most of us.
Inotice we now have 2 Halal shops in Northdown Rd and 1 Polish food store.
I think this shows that other ethnicities of people are here to stay although many others have been resettled elswhere over the last several years, which has helped reduce the scale of the problem.
I hope that as they integrate - which may take several generations - any problems will gradually disappear.

worm said...

If you really think that dirt, drugs and anti social behaviour has come with the influx of people from other countries, you are definately kidding yourself. I live in Cliftonville and my peace is disturbed mostly by drunken teenagers and adults. Almost all of them English. Many of the ethnic people who come here are Muslim and therefore very unlikely to indulge in drink and drugs. Iknow there are exceptions but if we want to see the area improved, it is the behaviour of the people who have been born and bred in this country that we must change.

Anonymous said...

Why would people stop being anti-social? It's not as if we have deterrents in this country.
Do what you want and get away with it most of the time?

Anonymous said...

I don't care where anyone comes from.
Work, pay tax, behave yourself and don't shove your beliefs down my throat!
Not too much to ask is it?

Anonymous said...

Worm - in your 10.02 comment who do you mean by "you"? One of the earlier posters, in that case which one?
I happen to partly agree with you but would say that in the Cliftonville Rd I live in I saw very recently arrived refugees - in their uniform of black shellsuits and nike trainers standing under the CCTV cameras in my road with their mobile phones to their ears dealing drugs and laughing at the cameras.
its amazing how quickly they got assimilated into the British way of life.
This was several years ago and those ones are thankfully gone, the relatively fewer refugees or economic migrants if you like we have now are pretty inoffensive generally - unless of course you are offended by their mere presence, such an attitude I would find unreasonable.
There is absolutely nothing we can do about it anyway so we might as well make the best of it.
Or move to somewhere where there aren't any such people?
Where would that be now?