Friday, June 16, 2006

Keep it Clean

A series of banners highlighting Margate's natural beauty have been put up along the town's seafront this week (week commencing Monday 12 June).

The banners, which show four images of Margate Main Sands, will be displayed on 32 lamp-posts, which line the town's promenade and have been used to display colourful banners over the last three years.

Supported by the Margate Charter Trustees, the banners also ask residents and visitors to play their part in keeping Thanet beautiful by not dropping litters. They are being put up ahead of one of the main events in the area this year, the Kent Air Show Margate, which takes place over this coming weekend, Saturday 17th and Sunday 18th June. The image being used on this year's banners has been supplied free of charge by Turner Contemporary.

Cllr. Roger Latchford, Cabinet Member for Commercial Services, said:

"Margate is a beautiful resort and it's time we took pride in that and promoted its beauty to both our residents and visitors to the area. Margate Main Sands, which are shown to their full beauty in the banners, have rightly won the European Blue Flag and this year, Thanet has become the only District or Borough Council in England to be awarded seven Blue Flags. These additions to Margate seafront signal the start of our Thanet is Beautiful campaign, which we will be launching later this summer to encourage everyone to work with us to help keep our area beautiful."

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

Turner Contemporary? Who are they? is that the name of the old Turner Centre that hasn't been built despite costing taxpayers over £6 million? If so, awfully nice of them to give the "image" free of charge. Frankly, the image has cost us a great deal. I would have been happy to take a snap of God's free view at no charge.

Cllr David Green said...

I speaks volumes of TDC's parlous financial state that they have to go cap in hand to Margate Charter Trustees to finance their anti litter campaign. Why have banners showing a view you can see with your own eyes? They would do better spending the money tackling the appalling smell around the seafront (and I dont mean the corrupting surrounding the waste of money on the Turner Centre)

Anonymous said...

People standing around looking at boarded up shops at end of Marine Terrace by the station roundabout in Margate early this afternoon. Has TDC offered to decorate the unsightly boards with pictures and art work so it is not such a depressing sight?

Corruption around the old TC? Cllr Green, what should we know about that apalling waste of money?

Martin Wise (Cllr.) said...

Think you need to justify or withdraw your statement on 2 counts Cllr. Green:
1. Parlous financial state that they have to go cap in hand to Margate Charter Trustees to finance their anti litter campaign.
2. Corruption surrounding the waste of money on the Turner Centre.

Looking forward to your responses.

Anonymous said...

I have no information about any corruption surrounding the Turner Centre, but I think it would be an excellent idea if the FULL financial history of and projections for this project were made openly available to the public. The decision - apparently made by the District and County Councils and the local MP - not to run with the previous adventurous design but to go with something different has clearly led to abortive costs. Presumably new contracts have been, or will be, let. To whom? There is no clear audit trail available to the public, and frankly there should be.

Anonymous said...

Very serious allegations Cllr Green. Come on name names.

DrMoores said...

Sorry .. I've taken a comment down which breaches my acceptable use policy. The author is welcome to rewrite it but without the personal comments. Be controversial by all means, be witty an time but above all, please be polite here.

Cllr David Green said...

Happy to oblige Martin,

It was your officers that told me at Scrutiny that the reason the anti-litter campaign was launched in Margate (surprise!) was that Margate Charter Trustees were contributing.

On the Turner, somebody has pocketed £8M for producing nothing, is refusing to publish accounts before making the next set of decisions and has just published a report declaring the project succesful. A corruption of the English language if nothing worse!

Anonymous said...

Even the TDC web site says the campaign is supported by the Charter Trustees

Anonymous said...

Councillor Green and 850 Anon seem to have "nailed" the anri-litter story. Of course, Councillor Wise may come back and say the Trustees approached the Council, rather than the other way round, or that it's important to engage local groups in such campaigns etc etc. But the key question is whether the Council should solicit, or accept, financial help from third parties for such campaigns.

On the more serious issue of the Turner Centre, I would suggest this is a subject for your next Ezekiel interview, Dr Moores. There are a string of questions, additional to those posed in my 457 post, including is Lottery money going to be used to pump-prime any hotel development, is money being taken out of the Turner Centre to cover improvements to the Winter Gardens - which the Council should fund themselves - and EXACTLY what has happened to the £8m already spent and apparently wasted?

Decisions seem to have been made "on our behalf" by the triumvirate of Ezekiel, Carter and Gale. Who amongst them signed off this abortive expenditure? Until there is some transparency, rumours of "corruption" will inevitably persist, even if there is little foundation for them.

Anonymous said...

No money is being taken from turner for the Winter Gardens, that is a different KCC department and budget. No lottery money will be used to pump prime a hotel; the aim is to create an audience and market for hotel developers to invest in, as has happened in Southport. Decisions are taken by KCC and their main partners in the project, the Arts Council and SEEDA. As you are all well aware, there are still likely to be arguments with former contractors, architects etc as to who exactly may bear the blame for what happened, until that is resolved there will be few more detailed figures for the public domain. I remind you the project has two parts, the programme of work, now nationally and internationally recognised; and the building itself. It is perfectly possible for the programme of work to be considered excellent even if the building has faltered and had to be re modelled.

I find talk of corruption dispiriting and rather sad, and more about thrashing around seeking someone to blame rather than anything else. Turner 'onshore' will arrive. People will be consulted once archtects are appointed. Other regeneration benefits will be fought for. It is particularly disspiriting, though unsurprising, to hear accusations from the opposition, whose contribution in all of these areas has been dishonest and mealy mouthed for some time, putting seeking political capital over the best interests of all. Culminating in Iris Johnstons famous statement that she now believes she was bullied into supporting the Turner 'offshore'. Not how her statements and great noise in the newspapers read at the time!

I have little sympathy, and less respect, for all those who play politics with this issue. No one, on any side, wants anything other than the investment of money into Margate to rebuild its reputation as a tourist destination. Lets start from that simple base, and make it all work this time, Dreamland included.

Chris Wells
KCC Member, Margate and Cliftonville

Cllr David Green said...

I find it disappointing that once again there appears to be little or no local imput allowed in the on going decisions concerning the Turner Project. If there was, I'm sure I would have been briefed as shadow spokesperson at TDC ;-)

It seems to me that there could have been a opportunity to invest in the Winter Gardens to make a magnificent complex (iconic almost) comprising of art complex, hotel, conference centre, fitness centre, pool, you name it.

As it is we perhaps will get a Gallery that doesnt quite cut the mustard, and the Winter Gardens will drain TDC funds.

But then , what do I know, I'm not a regeneration consultant?

Anonymous said...

I find your post a bit confusing, Mr Wells. On the one hand you refer to " arguments with...contractors, architects..as to who exactly may bear the blame for what happened", and use that as the reason why "few more detailed figures [will be available for] the public domain". You then go on to refer to people "thrashing around seeking someone to blame".

I presume you are content if you can blame contractors and advisers but are not content if someone is calling to account, and pointing the finger at, you and your Authority, or at the County Council, or the local MP. By my reckoning, you, collectively, are the decision-makers and are therefore responsible. It is right to blame YOU all.

It is a shame that you do not feel able to give the public details of how THEIR money has been spent. I guess you think you know best.

And it is somewhat disingenuous to critice those who have made political comment on the subject and then go on to do exactly the same yourself.

Anonymous said...

You can call me to account on this subject at any time. I have never changed or wavered from the position that Turner is needed and must be built; Margate must be in receipt of regeneration funds; that there is room for Dreamland and turner and anything else we can get funded. If you wish to vote for someone else who claims support one minute, doubt the next and changes with the wind, you are able to do so. It is possible the blame is not so easily apportioned as we all would like; I merely stated until the dust settles exactly who is to blame is unclear. However, from the fact it isnt built yet after all these years, we are all to blame to some degree. Just beware of those who change with the tide, of whatever political colour.

Chris Wells

Anonymous said...

...but still no information on the wasted money. How much dust has to settle before you can count how much has been spent and where?

Anonymous said...

I repeat, all of us involved must accept some blame. As soon as I know the sort of detail you are asking for, I will let anyone who is interested know.

Chris Wells

Martin Wise (Cllr.) said...

Going back to Cllr. Green and Anon. 400AM:

With regard to the Charter Trustees, a Councillor approached the Council with a suggestion for banners on the sea front. The Trustees have a fund obtained specifically to pay for improvements that will make make Margate "beautiful", and as TDC have difficulties regarding watering flowers this year the banners seemed a good alternative. Other sources of funding are also available. Ramsgate Trustees also have a similar fund (obtained by raising the Charter Trustee precept in 2004) which they could use for the same purpose. The difference is that the Margate Trustee was proactive when spying an opportunity, whilst the Ramsgate Councillors were not. There was no intention to favour one and not the other, and to make a political point on this is pathetic, but typical of the man. The reference to the Council finances was pure spin, and designed to cast doubt on the Council. For anyone, let alone a Member of the Council to run down the Council in public on such spurious grounds shows a meaness of spirit and paucity of character at a time a time when we are all trying to make this a better place to live. But then we all know that Cllr. Green is incapable of positive comment, and lacks personal charm and persuasive abilities to carry people forward to get things done.

He carps on endlessly about the failings of others, but contributes nothing positive himself.

The perfect example is his insinuation regarding corruption at the Turner Contemporary. If he feels that strongly, there are mechanisms available to ask questions of virtually anybody he chooses. He has not used these ... why? Laziness, lack of argument, .....? Instead he cusses all and`sundry in a medium he knows is guaranteed to do the same. All words, no action, situation normal.

Anonymous said...

Mr Wise, you have said far about yourself in your rude, offensive and immoderate comments. I am astonished that you have the nerve to refer to anyone else's lack of charm. I am suprised that Dr Moores has not removed your comments, but then of course he would not, you are a Tory, and we know in which direction his tongue moves.

DrMoores said...

9:22 is writing rubbish as usual. I don't remove comments unless I consider them offensive and personal. Martin's may be robust but they don't cross the line.

Anonymous said...

I think "Councillor Green is incapable of positive comment...lacks personal charm and persuasive abilities..." and implying he is lazy are pretty personal and offensive.

You have accused me and others of being just that when attacks have been made on your cronies, including Gale. You simply do not like people using your site to post views that are counter to your own. You let them pass if they are just occasional shots, but when a theme emerges, you turn nasty - "writing rubbish", the suggestion that someone criticising Thanet North Tory Party needs professional help, and the cheap "socialist" remarks you have made in the past are all examples - and show yourself up for what you are. I sincerely hope the press find some real dirt on you, just as they recently did on your friend, Gale.

You'll overstep the mark one day, and a politician you hate - just for being a Labour politician - will have your balls. I'll look forward to it.

DrMoores said...

"Cronies" - You're living in some post Orwellian fantasy world with nobody in it to entertain but yourself I fear. I've said it before. Start your own weblog if you feel so exercised but for heaven's sake take your political obsessions and go and be tedious on someone else's weblog. There are now lots to choose from around Thanet.

Martin Wise (Cllr.) said...

Anon. 0922 and 1553, Cllr. Green has made accusations and insinuaations against TDC and KCC members and officers, which I believe are unfounded and which are insulting to the many who work hard behind the scenes to try to make Thanet a better place. Don't expect these attacks to go unanswered any longer - the officers can't defend themselves, but I will be happy to do that job for them where it is deserved, in the most robust terms. Don't have any doubt that the Labour Group are the masters of unpleasant at TDC - my Tory colleagues and myself are pussycats by comparison.

Anonymous said...

Dr Moores, I won't stoop to your level of gratuitous insult. You post many local new stories, you also post many right-leaning and party political stories, and you post many socio-political stories. You are a (non-elected) politician. You are either deceitful or you are deluding yourself when you keep denying this, and accuse me of being "politically obsessed". Just look in the mirror.

You simply don't like to see views that oppose yours, or anyone who draws attention to your tactics.

I do hope you don't react so hysterically when you are in the cockpit. Red Arrows beware!