Tuesday, May 23, 2006

Worried of Westgate

Feelings are running high in Westgate over the proposal - now looking like a 'fait accompli' - to provide a home for recovering drug addicts in the town. The residents association tell me that they are disgusted and dismayed by the idea and will do everything in their power to challenge the plan.

Although the proposed site for the home has not yet been properly identified, a large house sold for £290,000, my sources tell me that it is most likely one of those on Westgate Bay Avenue and opposite the entrance to Beach road.

The residents association believe that Westgate is already oversubscribed with problems from outside of the area and already has too many children’s homes often, associated with allegations of anti-social behaviour. The association fears that a home for recovering addicts will also attract cases from as far away as London and may increase the potential for drugs-related crime in the town and make it highly unattractive as a home for families and young children as a consequence.

What’s your view, block this project, which the council reportedly decided was unsuitable for Cliftonville, given its already high problem density or welcome the recovering addicts for treatment in Westgate?

30 comments:

stuart said...

This is the same old story - everyone says 'not on my doorstep' but unless we want to sent them all off to a remote island they have to go somewhere.

A property of £290K would house 6 people max and may just create a couple more jobs for people in the town.

DrMoores said...

So would you approve of such a drop in centre next door to you? I wonder if a risk assesment of kinds is necessary?

Anonymous said...

And of course you would welcome the facility moving in next door to you. Its so easy to be a theoretical liberal when what you promote to others doesn't bugger up YOUR life.
I suppose the man who wants to run this place will be actually living there with his clients or will he be in his nice house in the suburbs collecting the funding. Safe in the knowledge that his efforts will be supported by people equally uaffected by his actions but who enjoy lecturing the locals.
If this wasn't so sad it would be funny.

Dobby Got A Sock said...

I am sure this new home won't be any more trouble to the residents of Westgate than the existing children's homes like St Nicholas Lodge on the corner of Elm Grove is.
The director of that one by the way does not live on the premises but in a quiet culdesac in Garlinge.

stuart said...

Dr Moores, i live several doors down from a childrens residential unit - and I knew that when i purchased the property.

Where do you think an 'ideal' place for a centre like this would be? The idea is to reintegrate the residents with the community, therefore they have to be in a community.

DrMoores said...

True but perhaps not in a community which is presently oversubscribed with problems from elsewhere. Care in the community perhaps but care in someone else's community isn't so attractive to the locals!

Anonymous said...

How i agree with the last comment,i have lived here all my life and since the seventies it is always thanet that is dumped on by any kind of social misfits.we should call a halt now and keep trying to regenerate not have more problems.as for the childrens homes causing no problems tell that to the shopkeeper who got his window put in last week...it is not a question of nimby but commen sense!!

dobby got a sock said...

Let's be honest, how successful will re-integration be?
I have a suspicion that all it will do is worry and upset local residents, not really do any long term good for the addicts, and enrich the home owner.
On balance I would go for the traditional setting for such a centre, a remote farm, away from towns, temptations and distractions.
The addicts can get back to nature and get clean, even then of course many won't ever be useful mambers of society but at least it hasn't afected anyone else's quality of life during the rehabilitation process.
Personally I would give them all the drugs they want (if thats what they want) and let them spend the rest of their days in a stupor, but not doing crime to fund their habit.
Addicts have a defective personality which can not often be fixed.

Old Codger said...

TDC often make odd decisions, but in this case I agree with the way they are thinking. Westgate is probably the most villagy and friendly place in Thanet for its size and already takes care of some rather odd special people. The addicts who have taken a decision to come clean and rehabilitate are hardly likely to cause a problem and will, I hope find an open friendly welcome.

Westgate already has a children's home problem because of the lack of supervision of scroats who make life a misery for residents. Rehabilitating drug users are in a different category and we will barely notice them. Be open minded and give them a chance. I cant say the same for the brats!

Tory Boy said...

Thank god its Westgate and not Margate central

Anonymous said...

Given a choise of brats over reforming chemical users I know what my choice will be.

Anonymous said...

Yep, reforming chemical users seem like model citizens compared to the Westgate Bratpack.

tony flaig said...

All things are relative, and I imagine that Westgate is hardly immune from its own home-grown drug abusers. I hardly think that residents in Westgate are any different from any other part the Thanet, unfortunate as it might be these people who are recovering from addiction have a right to go somewhere even if it causes the residents of Westgate some apprehension. What next Westgate refuses patients convalescing from cancer, heart surgery etc I'm afraid we cannot pick and choose our neighbours.

Dobby Got A Sock said...

So called reforming addicts are probably only going to be in a rehabilitation centre as a soft option to jail, they will not be able to change their choice of way of life, for that they would have to have some hope for the future.
And to come to Thanet for that ???? It doesn't compute does it?
Its a bad move for Westgate, just like the kids "homes".
Westgate used to be such a pleasant place when I moved there in 1961, now its a case of "be careful out there people".

Anonymous said...

tony flaig - do cancer sufferers and heart surgery patients cause distress to others by their lapses from their rehab?

I don't think so.............

Druggies however -? need I go on?


get real man!

Anonymous said...

I doubt reforming (ex) drug users will be much of a problem. If they're reforming they are likely to now be mature enough to realize taking illegal drugs is a mugs game and whilst some may slip into old ways if they are being monitored this will soon be picked up. As for the kids, most of them are okay though I wish they would not drop litter and graffiti stuff.

Anonymous said...

Dobby got a sock, surely most of our problems in Westgate are caused by a minority of our own younger 'bad'uns' aided and abetted by scroats in 'homes'. I would be happy to have a drug rehab house in the village unless there is evidence from other areas that they are serious bad news in an area. Is there evidence or could some of us be guity of prejudice?

Anonymous said...

its high time barnardo's,NCH children in need etc,stopped showing doughy eyed poster boys and girls, to get us to put our hands in our pockets, and showed us the real kids of neglect and abuse, like the kids (scroats)in westgate,to show just what a nasty nation of hipocrites we are.

come on wogan and dear old pudsey bear,show us how sexually/physically/mentally abused children turn to a life of crime or the needle and spoon to escape the misery.
We truly live in a bubble

Anonymous said...

anon again!
By all means, help the afflicted, BUT, we also need to get rid of the other end of the drugs problem.
Sicko's that push the damned stuff, and get youngsters started in to that sort of life long problem.
I always believed that drug dealing/using was AGAINST the Law, and that abusers we be punished with a prison sentence. Have things changed? Is it now ok to sell POISON and commit suicide by administering it into ourselves.
The lax attitude of Governments and Police have led us into this problem. Only by enforcement, can it be solved. Get the swine in Jail where they belong. 20 years for dealers, (murderers) and 10 years for addicts (to clean them up inside). There is no need to be LAX.
Marijuana Farm in Thanet... OMG, what next?

tony flaig said...

Anonymous 8:36pm well actually yes those recuperating from physical illness do cause distress to others when they lapse from recovery. I realise Westgate is the closest thing to heaven on earth and the residents clearly don't want to be dealing with Oiks and the like, but these people have to go somewhere and where better than the genteel and refined environs of Westgate. I am sure good manners, a warm welcome from Westgatonians will do no end of good for recovering drug abusers. Lets face it Westgate is not Frinton on sea.

Bjorn Lyer said...

Yes Tony Flaig,you are so right, I can vouch for the fact that when my Gran was slow getting over a stroke she went out mugging other OAPS on pension day, breaking into houses and cars, and was often seen shooting up antibiotics by the lavs in Station rd - and also carelessly discarded the used hypodemics for kids to find.
What could a druggie do thats worse?

Fink Snitch said...

If any members of the Kent Police Service are reading this they should try searching the blue BMW car which pulls up around 10 to 10.30 and around 3pm most days outside 18 Harold Road Cliftonville.
A very shorthaired guy with a small shaved bald patch at the back of his head in his 30's gets out, often carrying a little package, goes into 18 and comes out 2 minutes later without the package.
A darkhaired girl wearing glasses is the driver.

There is a CCTV camera just up the road if anyone with access to it is interested.

I don't think its Meals On Wheels.

tony flaig said...

Thank you Bjorn Lyer I am informing the police right now your gran will pay for this

Anonymous said...

Give the lads at Forthill a ring, they will be interested!

Anonymous said...

If they are not happy in Westgate, they can always get the bus to Margate and score some smack.
Aren't recovering drug addicts supposed to go up a mountain or something to give themselves perspective on the world and everything in it? Also it might be an idea to put them in a place where they cannot possibly get their hands on the stuff. Westgate is not it.

Anonymous said...

The man running the unit does not live in a grand, secluded property. He lives in Cliftonville- his first choice for the unit. The people being treated will be clean of drugs before they get to the unit for 2nd stage treatment. If it was your son or daughter who needed help wouldn't you welcome this?

Anonymous said...

I really resent having to protect my son and daughter from yet another "introduced" potential hazard that wasn't here when I bought my home.
If I wanted all this stress I would have stayed in the City.

Anonymous said...

The man who would be running the unit Mr Ken Milne, actually does not live in Cliftonville, but lives in a very nice Gardens in Palm Bay. But I wonder is he medically qualified to run this unit........or what qualifications other than ex addict does he or his staff have?

Anonymous said...

Probably that same standards of practise we've all come to know and love in the children's home in Westgate.
Take the grants etc and do sod-all!
Nice work if you can get it.

Anonymous said...

Probably that same standards of practise we've all come to know and love in the children's home in Westgate.
Take the grants etc and do sod-all!
Nice work if you can get it.