Friday, May 19, 2006

Room with a View

The story in today’s ‘Thanet Gazumph’ about landlord, Abrar Mohammed, winching a couple of caravans into his Cliftonville garden, for use as bedsits and reportedly without planning permission, leaves me wondering whether to laugh or cry.

There’s no doubt that Mr. Mohammed has proved unusually enterprising and innovative in his actions but the caravans remain and in the story, the absence or presence of planning permission remains shrouded in mystery.

I wonder what would happen if I did the same and set-up a small caravan park in my garden, without seeking planning permission. Would I get away with it? Probably not, which leaves me asking myself why this might be?

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am the person who just posted about my stolen greenhouse, my house backs onto this one with the caravans and a hole has been bashed in the back fence large enough for people to get through, and I didn't do it!
I think those caravans have been there the best part of a year now, I remember some hoo hah previously reported in one of the local papers.
I think Mr Mohammad said he had rung the council and asked if he had to get planning permission for a caravan in his back garden and was told he did not.
However he didn't tell the council that they were 2 big mobile homes which occupy just about the whole of the back garden and that he would be renting them out for permanant occupation by large numbers of tenants.
This would have evoked a rather different answer.
A very wily gentleman it might seem.

Anonymous said...

Stop knocking Mr Mohammed.
I sat in a planning meeting where our erstwhile planning committee councillors allowed the local plan to be thrown aside for Two Chimneys to cover more of our limited countryside in caravans that make a bigger blot on the landscape than Mr Mohammeds caravans/mobile homes.
They justified the decision by arguing that chaep tourist accommodation was needed for Thanet.

It seems to me that Mr Mohammed is meeting the criteria of providing cheap accommodation for Thanet that is at least not on Grade 1 agricultural land; is not in a protected landscape area and is not visible from 1km away.

If you are not prepared to stick to your policy with the big boys, TDC, leave the small men like Mr Mohammed alone.

Anonymous said...

Stop knocking Mr Mohammed.
I sat in a planning meeting where our erstwhile planning committee councillors allowed the local plan to be thrown aside for Two Chimneys to cover more of our limited countryside in caravans that make a bigger blot on the landscape than Mr Mohammeds caravans/mobile homes.
They justified the decision by arguing that chaep tourist accommodation was needed for Thanet.

It seems to me that Mr Mohammed is meeting the criteria of providing cheap accommodation for Thanet that is at least not on Grade 1 agricultural land; is not in a protected landscape area and is not visible from 1km away.

If you are not prepared to stick to your policy with the big boys, TDC, leave the small men like Mr Mohammed alone.

Anonymous said...

anon again!

This Mr Mohammed is British/English one presumes. Now if a Johnny Foreigner tried that one, he'd have the Council on his back like a rocket. Renting out caravans or mobile homes, hmmmmmmmmm, I wonder how much Council Tax our "dearly beloved TDC" could make on that little number. (Is he on the Council?) (only)(that would explain the downright liberty being taken here).

Anonymous said...

From what has been said on this site and in todays Gazzette it would seem that Mr Mohammed is fully aware that he needs permission, which would not be forthcoming, and for good reasons. He is also probably fully aware that enforcement is non existent in Thanet, unless you embarrass the Council into action. It is far easier to attack someone with a satelite dish, than to take on a wiley Mr Mohammed.

Anonymous said...

Come on!
poor old Mr mohammed! He gets lots of stick over a couple of caravans but Waterbridge can remove signs from the listed structure from Dreamland; put in a big wheel on a site that has planning permission as a games arcade (sadly incinerated) and WHO has allowed them to put a huge poster up of a young boys face with a script on it I have been unable to read as I pass alomg marine Terrace?

Anonymous said...

I don't know about two caravans in someones back garden, I drove along Reading Street Road today. What a diabolical mess on the green wedge. Tons of rubble have been dumped together with abandoned caravans and general rubbish. Have all our planning officers gone on holiday?

Anonymous said...

Not on holiday but either being inefficient or grossly over stretched. I suspect there is a touch of the former much exacerbated by the latter. Please, any Cllrs out there, give the Planning Dept more officers and particularly Enforcement Officers. You have big sharks cruising around on this Isle of ours making your Planning Dept a laughing stock. This is not good. We keep on reading about lack of enforcement all over the Isle and its time this state of shambles was sorted out. When a bureaucracy becomes inefficient and byzantine the whiff of corruption is often attached to it.

Anonymous said...

A lot of people on this site keep going on and on about the unsightly unscreened caravans at two chimneys. Does anyone know the outcome of this weeks application for the 7 glasshouses the largest having a floor area of 8.77 hectares! Yes the report said one of the glasshouses would be 8.77 hectares. My rough calculation 8.77 hectares equates to 20 acres and for only one of the units. There are 7 proposed. Despite major policy objections, it appears that the develoment will answer all out worries about unemployment according to a planning officer. I wonder if he has considered that Birchington could become over-run with hundreds of eastern European migrant farm workers? I doubt it.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, forgot to say the proposals for the glasshouses is on land south of the hamlet of Brooksend.

Anonymous said...

Wow! Do you have a planning application reference? Normally, TDC planning dept will answer queries on progress of applications if you ring them. Very helpful.

Anonymous said...

F/TH/05/0237 Monkton Road Farm, Seamark Road, Brooksend, Birchington. Case officer Simon Thomas. Recomendation: Defer and Delegate. 21 Page report!!!! dated 17th May 2006. I can't tell you the outcome.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, will go and have a look.

Anonymous said...

Having seen the plans in details I desparately hope that the Montgomery's plan is approved.

As you may be aware, Quex Park moved out of cauliflowers a number of years ago and E S Linington & Son, also in cauliflowesrs, ceased trading last month with 14 redundancies.

This is a modern agricultural endeavour and the way ahead to provide quality produce that the UK needs.

Yes, it will have a major visual impact to start with but the screening plans are detailed and will hide much and Montgomery's have been planting trees and hedgerows for years and making Seamark Road a joy to travel on. They can be relied on, unlike others , to plant and screen.

If TDC allowed the huge intrusive encroachment of Wiggins, 8 years ago on the basis of moving jobs from Sandwich (at one stage no extra jobs had actually been created); and allowed caravans to be placed over an extra 30 acres up at Birchington with big visual impact and no enforcement on screening, then it needs to approve this project.

Modern agricultural methods are vital and WOW this project will create 500 long term jobs. Its good for Thanet and I wonder if an urban mind set at TDC can even appreciate what this is all about?