Sunday, May 07, 2006

Cry Havoc

A poor start for the new Home Secretary, John Reid, now facing a fresh crisis over foreign criminals, after a senior immigration official revealed that more than half of the 1,023 released in error will remain at liberty on the streets of Britain. Rather like unwelcome house guests that steal the furniture, we’re stuck with them and their continuing lawlessness until they’re too old or too dead to commit any more havoc or they’re banged-up in a prison, an asylum or a nursing home or both at our expense.

I think it’s time to leave Iraq. Yesterday’s “Black Hawk Down” type incident with a British helicopter over Basra simply reinforced my opinion. From now, things can only get much worse and yet our government continues to lie to us in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Listen to the new Defense Secretary this morning and he’ll tell you that we are winning hearts and minds and that the Iraqi army and police are trained-up and ready to take our place in maintaining law and order. Listen to the media and remarks from our own soldiers and the same allies, in southern Iraq at least, are under the control of the Iranian Shi’a militias; one reason why the army had to level one of the police stations in Basra recently when two SAS men were openly being held against the instructions of the Iraqi government and our army.

The problem though is that this is exactly what the Iranians want; us to pull up stakes and quit. This then gives them control of the southern oilfields of Iraq, an Iranian province in all but name and Europe and the United States being strangled by the potential loss of oil and threat to the Saudi and Kuwaiti oil field. It’s a nightmare scenario that is swiftly coming true.

But Basra is like Aden in the sixties for those who can remember that far back. We couldn’t hold that either and British soldiers will continue to die, like their American counterparts to the north as Iraq bloodily fragments into two if not three separate states, much as Yugoslavia did after General Tito.

But God instructed both Tony and George to invade Iraq and who can doubt or even challenge his will in such matters.

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Strange to turn to a website called "Thanet Life" and read a diatribe about Iraq, including several anti-Government comments. I agree this is a subject of legitimate interest to people in the area, but there are plenty of national websites to which they could turn on national issues. Not quite a "local matter".

But of course...this site is simply a front, a showcase for the Tory Party, with a paid Party employee, or contractor to the party at its head.

You even incorporate the same lies and misrepresentation that appear on Gale's website about links between the Prime Minister and god over Iraq - pre-supposing there is a god in the first place. Gale claims that things were said by the Prime Minister about "divine intervention" and "christian crusades" in his televsions some weeks ago with Michael Parkinson which simply were not said. The transcript of the television interview shows Gale's claims to be entirely false. A pity - but hardly a surprise - that his lies should re-appear here.

DrMoores said...

No it's simply a diary entry for this morning. Thanetlife being my weblog as well as a local resource. This is where the borders between weblogging and news blurs somewhat.

As for being a "paid" party employee of "contractor", I'm not. What I do in terms of delivering assistance of advice, I pay for from my own pocket and I can't even claim expenses. You seem to have a mistaken impression of what I do. No political party "pays" me anything but Labour, LibDems and Conservatives have used me for different purposes in the past.. all for free I should add!

Anonymous said...

Ok, Dr Moores, I accept the correction about your employment position. I was basing my comments on the several promotional websites that refer to your activities. I am impressed that you do - and are able to do - so much without charge! Basic point remains that there is an obvious political bias that comes across in each of your entries, and it is only fair (for others) to strike a balance.

Anonymous said...

However it remains a fact that you choose, as is your right, to use it to promote whatever is the latest "spin" from Conservative head office, hence the fixation on economic migrants, extension of licensing hours and distorted scare stories about building on green space.
You also follow their general instruction to repeat endlessly any bad news story about crime and disorder despite the underlying improvements that are occuring. Its the same well worn "Daily Telegraph" mix of interesting news stories and Tory spin.
Your entitled to do it, of course, its your site, but to let people think its your own thoughts is dishonest.

Anonymous said...

Of course NONE of the TV stations, Newspapers, Radio stations or ANY media outlet has any bias whatsoever do they? Get real. You must be a screaming Labour fanatic who doesn't want to allow ANY view except your own.
I suppose under the brave new Labour dawn nobody is allowed to be political or have any opinions or be able to express them. Just like that poor old bloke at your conference who was arrested by the police under the prevention of terrorism act for saying "rubbish". He escaped the Nazis to come here for freedom, but not Labour! Nick 'em all!!! Wouldn't that just suit Labour now!!
You're just worried that so many people agree with the comments on this site about the Joke called a government running this country (into the ground) and ignoring the majority of ordinary people I always thought they were supposed to represent. I voted Labour all my life. Not now though as they've all got their snouts too deeply in the trough.
Also, if you say this is a Tory site it gives Dr Ladyman the perfect excuse not to come on and comment on the issues raised by us nasty common folk who don't live in Islington!!!
Cheesed off of Margate!

Anonymous said...

No, you miss the point. Of course expression of opinion is good. But as someone who receives the Conservative internal "spin". I can predict 90% of what is about to appear on this site with a thin local veneer.

Anonymous said...

Call someone dishonest but don't have the honesty to sign your real name.
Enough said!!!
Why do you have to get personal to make your point?

Anonymous said...

9.27 Gosh you must be so important so why are you bothering to read it?

Anonymous said...

As much as I like the lively debate in this blogger I think the title 'Thanet Life' is somewhat misleading as there is a huge absence of any real community feeling or spirit. Anon 9:06AM, are you aware of 'Godwin's Law'?

Anonymous said...

Anon 10.32, I do agree with you that there is a lack of community spirit in Thanet, most of us are struggling to survive financially and trying to live decently in spite of the antisocial behaviour and crime which surrounds us.
I know there has been at times a definite tory bias on this blog but it is a very useful place nonetheless and a great vent for local people to vent their spleen and air their unhappiness with TDC etc.
I think that on balance this is a very positive and beneficial place for locals to come, and often we go away feeling a bit better.

Anonymous said...

I find this very important person beyond belief. Clearly a political socialist who should be eating humble pie after receiving such a well deserved drubbing in the local elections. Perhaps we should feel sorry for him. A cornered and frightened animal will lash out at anyone. He forgets that the Tory party backed Blair and Bush, at a time when many of us, including me, beleived the lies about WMD. Hypocryte.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10 32. And of course being so superior to the rest of us, you can do much better.
Those that CAN do
Those that CAN'T winge and pretend to be smarter than they are!

Anonymous said...

anon again!
I'm enjoying the above slanging matches... makes a change for here...they are usually to be found at that other thanet site!

However,I do feel very strongly AGAINST our Forces being slaughtered in a Country that is NOT worthy of them.

This may not be Politically Correct,
but, the Arab nations have always been hot heads in their hotbed Countries, with very few exceptions. Their Religeous beliefs are too Barbaric, and this doesn't leave them time to think about possible *nicer* alternatives. There is always some fly in the ointment trying to outdo power and authority. Besides all that, they never listen to what advisory constitutions have to offer, as they always know better.
Pull our Forces out NOW, they don't need them there. It does not matter if you are Lab/Con/Lib Dem, any *normal* person can see that when the idiots start abusing help and friendship, their Lunatic urges overtake reality.
I am sorry if these comments cause bad feeling, but, it is the way I feel about these things, and many of my colleagues and friands.

James Maskell said...

Ive been against the War in Iraq from the start. The case put forward by Blair was that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction. I would have admitted I was wrong if the Iraqi Survey Group found those weapons of mass destruction but they were nowhere to be seen.

Then the decision for war was that it was a general threat to Britain. Going into Iraq with the apparent ease which it did showed that clearly the Iraqi army was barely that and really had no real threat to Britain.

Then it became an issue about Hussein destabilising the region and his slaughtering of his own people. I part accept this, as Hussein has slaughtered his own people, but in terms of destabilising the region, Iran is the country seeming to be more destabilising.

Iraq is in Civil War, whether the Green Zone likes it or not. Our troops shouldnt have set foot in there without the second resolution, or at least a better attempt at getting it. Because of the UK-US led invasion of Iraq, the UN now has serious credibility issues (the precedent was set that the UN can be ignored) and this is something Blair cant blame God for. Because of Blairs "spreading of democracy", British soldiers are out there fighting for their lives with no timetable for their homecoming. Mission Accomplished my arse...

shernus said...

This site is democracy in working process,Dr Moores expresses an opinion,and then allows the readers a right to reply and debate.
I personally dont care what end of the political spectrum or who's flag you wave,the iraq war is an unjust war,we have all been made perfectly aware of the reasons, and we the UK allow it to continue which includes the money and services from the people of Thanet

James Maskell said...

About the comment that this is a front for the Conservatives, I have recently left the Party in protest at changes made since December and I can honestly say ThanetLife is no front for the Conservatives. For one this site appears to not agree with the immigration policy, at least thats what Im getting. The Conservatives have said that immigration is a good thing, and this site has said that it isnt necessarily a good thing when it is at too high a level. This site has also had differences with Conservative policy on housebuilding, where the Conservatives believe that the priority for housebuilding should be on greenfield sites, not brownfields sites. Both these issues impact on Thanet and rightly feature on this site as issues for debate.

Anonymous said...

To recap then:

David, who was the new Michael, who was the new Ian, who was the new William, who was the new John, is now the new Tony, who is soon to be the old Gordon. Meanwhile, Modern Conservatives are the new old New Labour, which means if they win at the next general election, they'll be George's new poodles. Or should that be Huskies?

Anonymous said...

Lost an entry by the look of it! I see the rabid socialist is out and about on strands attacking anything smacking of pro Tory! Look at previous stories about TC, the other TCs, Dreamland, roads, planning etc and you will find TDC and KCC being criticised in harsh terms. Oh, they are both Tory controlled are they not? A good socialist must of course follow the party line Labour Good- Tory bad on every issue and although the facts may prove the opposite, keep chanting the mantra. His party's Govt ministers long ceased to recognise truth from spin so one shouldn't be surprised that he suffers from the same affliction.

Anonymous said...

Oooh! 'Rabid Socialist!' I haven't heard that one since Norman Tebbit was alive!

Old Codger said...

As an ex-service man I am disappointed to see General commanding British Forces in Iraq having to spout the MOD line this morning. He has no choice as a serving officer.
I recently read "Dusty Warriors" by Richard Holmes. It recounts the tour of duty in Iraq of 1st Bn The Princess of Wales Royal Regiment (our local regiment) in 2004.
I had no idea of the intensity of the shooting war in Iraq from either our media or our from our Govt. The Regiment was based mainly in Al-Majar and Basra.

This regiment suffered 3 fatalities and 50 serious casualties, with one company at one stage with a platoon with 50% casualties. The list of awards gives some idea of the intensity of the fighting; one VC, two Conspicuous Gallantry Cross; two DSO, eleven MCs and twenty-two Mentions in Despatches.
Either I need to read more newspapers or the 'truth' is deliberately being witheld for political purposes. We have a Govt that is unable to tell the truth as it is; whatever the shambles they are responsible for.

Anonymous said...

I thought 'rabid socialists' had all metamorphosed into New Labour Tories. Glad to see there's one or two fossilized specimens still around; its as exciting as finding a live pterodactyl!

James Maskell said...

No, the Conservatives arent fully fledged Socialists (yet). I think they are more like liberal pragmatists now, desperate for power before principles. For sure the Party has abandoned conservatism as its predominant ideological bias. But they arent Socialists yet.

An older codger said...

Oh how I yearn for a return to those days when you knew what a Labour, Tory and Liberal stood for. No principles anywhere these days. I wonder if that is why the obnoxious BNP attracts people to vote for them; at least you know what nastiness they are peddling.

DrMoores said...

Busy day here I see and a hornets nest I've stirred up. Thanks for coming to my defence in regard to the dishonesty allegation. Sorry been out and have just flown the Thanet Gazumph's winners of a flight around Thanet under the fog. Or at least it was at 5pm

An interesting sugegstion that I might be controlled by some kind of Conservative "spinmeister" an Alastair Campbell in blue! If onely they were that organised! My own experience of working with the Cabinet Office was that the Director of Communications was a close friend and closer still to Labour's Director of Communications at Millbank leaving me to believe that my strings were being pulled by "The Party" and not the Civil Service. One reason I walked away from being a Blair supporter and once, even a stand-in for an absent Patricia Hewitt!


What you see here is pretty spontaneous and reflects what I think is interesting on the spur of the moment. I put up a column and leave the readers to comment and disagree with me as much as they wish. It's not a front for the Tories, Lib Dems, BNP or even New Labour but with a limited amount of political choice in this country, my inclinations are showing through like everyone else. Sick of crime, sick of rising and backdoor taxes, sick of a dishonest war and dishonest politicians and looking for a political leader with a spine and not spin. That's it really and in between, anything useful and interesting I can find on or about Thanet!

Anonymous said...

Pull out of Iraq? Yes, when we have shipped back the tens of thousands of "asylum seekers" who fled persecution under Saddam. Now he's gone why are they still here and why are all the Afghans still here?

James Maskell said...

With no secure Government in place (the elections are worthless when there is such civil unrest in the country), Im sure the asylum seekers will remain in Britain for a while yet. Its a warzone and Britain will be slapped hard by the international community if they send them back while theres all this in the country.

Im afraid I dont remember Aden (wasnt born until over 20 years after...)

One thing I dont understand is why Britain continues to stay in Iraq fighting a war that could well continue for a decade at least with more and more British lives laid on the line, when in the Darfur region, the Government backed militia are massacreing the people. If Britain wants a moral internation action, get a proper coalition of the willing and save the people of Darfur. The Janjaweed are backed by the Sudanese Government and murdering innocent Christian civilians. In fact, now the Sudanese Government is helping the rebels in neighbouring Chad.