Wednesday, February 08, 2006

An Innocent Question

A fairly simple question I know but with people feeling understandably agitated by the loss of the £7 million that has reportedly already spent on the Turner Contemporary (TC) project – see lots of comments on this website – is there, I wonder any standard penalty cancellation clause built-in to the construction project that would favour the builders of the TC, such as Edmund Nuttall Ltd.

In other words, is cancelling this particular design for the TC, going to cost the taxpayer, directly or indirectly and if so, how much?

Does anyone know?

PS on another note, this site just rolled past 1,000 impressions in a day for the very first time with half as many again new visitors as repeat visitors. It's been touching 800 a day for over a week now and it's a shame that it took the Turner story to break the magic number.

22 comments:

Cllr David Green said...

Another innocent question.
We have been told that £7M has been spent already on the Turner, and that until today the projected cost was to be £28M. That means, the construction phase was to cost £21M. It is now claimed that the overall projected cost is £50M, ie the construction phase is now £43M.
We are expected to believe this extra £22M is due to the cost of steel? Just how much steel can you buy for £22M?
This excuse is baloney, there is something more fundamentaly wrong here. Or could it be that one year on from the last County elections and three years to the next, this is the most convenient time to ditch the project?

James Maskell said...

Cllr David Green, do you support the Turner Contemporary project...yes or no?

Anonymous said...

Another innocent question.

Is Pomeroy and her gang still being paid ?

The current bill was about £100,000 per annum.

James Maskell said...

Where did you hear that the bill for them was about 100k?

Cllr David Green said...

James, I think I've told you before. I recognise the need for a major regeneration project in Margate. The concept was brave. The implementation was too top down and appallingly executed.
Chris Wells has critised me for being sceptical, but scrutiny is my duty isnt it?

James Maskell said...

Indeed its your duty but you dont answer the question. Do you support the Turner Contemporary project...yes or no?

Anonymous said...

We could have bought an old cruise liner and sunk it in the harbour for less than the cost of the plans.

Worked for Los Angeles with the original Queen Mary, still in use now,decades later, as a top hotel and dining venue.

Now that could have brought visitors in, and lots of room to have an art gallery in there as well.

Anonymous said...

Almost all those idiots supported it, only now will they start saying they had doubts.

Anonymous said...

RE: Where did you hear that the bill for them was about 100k?

Pomeroy, assistant Pomeroy, secretaries, national Insurance, pension contibutions, plus all the other "on costs" of employing staff
100k sounds cheap unless of course you are the one paying the bill ie; ratepayers

Anonymous said...

The Gazette two weeks ago stated that Pomeroy and the rest of the jobsworths promoting the non-existent and now defunct TC had actually cost us all £1,500,000 odd in salaries. the entertainment and 'promotion' bill was nearer to £100,000!

Anonymous said...

This whole business just makes me want to scream. When I thnk of all that could have been achieved with that money in Thanet on REAL projects and assistance for locals. Its "The King's New Clothes" on a terrifying scale, where nearly everyone in power didn't want to break ranks and say the project was a load of c---p for fear of looking ignorant. They positively enjoyed looking down their noses at the "common people" of Thanet who didn't understand high culture, regional artistic profile development or potential visitor demographics. No they didn't know all these clever things but they could spot a load of pretentious B/S a mile off. Shame the powers that be keep forgetting we live in a democracy. If they'd asked the people of Thanet about Turner we would have saved a fortune a long time ago.

Anonymous said...

anon again!

Don't worry folks, our Council Tax rise will cover the loss!!!(cynic!)

Anonymous said...

Last figure I heard for the annual TDC budget was about £13million, so the Turner Centre debacle at about £7million is equivalent to over 6 months total operating costs for all TDC activities.

What we could have done with that money!

Resign Ezekiel!

James Maskell said...

One thing Ive noticed on this site is the calls for resignations from TDC members. One thing that people should note is that this is not a TDC project. This is a KCC project.

Anonymous said...

James you cannot seriously believe that KCC would have done it without the instigation support backing and misplaced enthusiasm of TDC coucillors?

And now they are putting positive spin on it!

Get Real!

Anonymous said...

anon again!
Back at work today, a colleague and I were discussing the Thanet FIASCO.... this might not be true, but my colleague said he'd heard that one of the Councillors kids worked for Nuttall....
now, this I fear, if true, is a repeat of Hoser days belonging to the same sort of mob...
Excuse me if I'm wrong..

James Maskell said...

TDC provided the land and are not leading the project. This is a KCC project. TDC have given their support to the project as it leads to a regeneration of the Old Town which is in the best interests of Thanet as a whole.

One other thing, why have any resignations when the general view on this site for example is that changing the plans to make the project better costwise for the taxpayer is a good thing?

Ultimately KCC have made the right decision and hopefully the new plans will be more cost-effective. Theres no point in calling for heads now.

Hog's View said...

You may get some money back when you take the brown tourists "Turner Centre" signs from the Thanet way, to the scrap yard ?.

On the other hand maybe they could be preserved as a monument on how not to do things ?

I. D. Sakum said...

James, do you really think that spending £7,000,000 with nothing to show for it doesn't warrant RESIGNATIONS?

What amount would get you to shout ' RESIGN YOU INCOMPETENTS '?

John B said...

If they build the new TC on the Rendezvous car park, as suggested by Cllr HART, WHERE will the hundreds of visiting cars park?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps he'll offer to park them at Tescos.

Anonymous said...

The Turner Contemporary Project always consisted of a programme of work, undertaken by the team based in Margate, and the building itself, overseen by a team based in Maidstone. The programme of work has not faltered or changed, and is recognised nationally as an effective and worthwhile engagement of people in art. The building project has faltered, and is now being recast on land. That is what most of the cynics about this project have stated they have wanted for some time. Some of the £7 million has gone on the programme of work which continues; other on much more building related work.

Before I pass on, I wish to take this chance to very publicly praise the work undertaken by Victoria Pomery and her team, which has been and will continue to be successful art engagement work.

I have been engaged over recent weeks in ensuring that there will be something there to house this work in and provide the focal point for regeneration we have all wanted. I say all, there are still some who say we should do nothing, but I utterly reject that as small minded and lacking in investment in Margates future. Others tell us they have always supported the project, whilst knocking it at every opportunity. They should be ashamed of their twisting and turning, and lack of integrity.

I have stated, and will state again, I will be demanding that KCC should enable the level of investment it was only months ago prepared to put into Turner, ie around £30 million, into regeneration projects for our town. That will be my theme and battle in the days to come.

So far, I have avoided the rejection of the Turner by some in Margate as a reason to not invest at all. In that we must all cooperate and be certain. Margate needs this investment.

Chris Wells